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[0:00] You never ever wanted to be healed.
[0:05] I want to feel healed. I just I just
[0:08] want to be, you know,
[0:09] >> [music]
[0:09] >> I want to stop uh
[0:11] I want to stop running. I can feel where
[0:14] I'm not taking [music] care of myself
[0:16] and I'm I'm eating food that makes me
[0:17] sick. It's a self-soothing like five,
[0:19] six times in a day.
[0:22] And then I have all this shame around
[0:24] it.
[0:24] >> What I want you to realize, Philip, none
[0:26] of those are the problem. They are the
[0:29] [music] solution.
[0:30] I just want to be happy. Your nature is
[0:33] freedom. But you're psychologically,
[0:35] emotionally telling yourself that you
[0:37] can't do something, then because of our
[0:40] nature of freedom, the inclination is
[0:42] towards that. That's the frustrating
[0:44] thing is that I'm I'm having this new
[0:46] awareness and I have moments where I
[0:48] feel bliss and beauty and I write these
[0:50] songs and everything makes sense. Most
[0:53] human beings in their identity are
[0:55] defined by something they're not. I'm
[0:58] not good enough. I'm not loved.
[1:02] I'm not valued. I feel the one of the
[1:05] most pivotal moments that has defined
[1:07] Philip's persona is
[1:13] Dude, I'm just I'm cracking up, man.
[1:16] When I when I got the email from
[1:18] Cambria,
[1:19] I brought my whole family and all the
[1:21] kids and I read the email and my
[1:24] 11-year-old was like, "Dad, you're about
[1:26] to get crowned.
[1:28] For real." And that's what we say in our
[1:31] house and we'll watch highlights and
[1:32] I'll be like, "Babe, come watch this
[1:34] Danica Patrick. She's about to get
[1:35] crowned. Watch this."
[1:37] And my my daughter my 14-year-old be
[1:39] like, "She got crowned. Get crowned."
[1:42] It's like a thing in our house.
[1:45] I love it. It sounds like you have a lot
[1:47] of fun in that house. I'm really really
[1:49] I'm just touched and flattered that
[1:52] uh my work has meant that much to you.
[1:54] You obviously have such a a spirit. I
[1:56] know you're not without your challenges
[1:58] and we'll get to that today and I I
[2:00] appreciate the video you submitted which
[2:02] everybody does, you know, prior to
[2:03] coming on the on the show and I just
[2:06] feel
[2:07] very fortunate that
[2:09] you know
[2:10] such lovely beautiful bright souls like
[2:13] yourself have found my work and it's
[2:16] it's helped in whatever way it has and
[2:18] let's see if we can't do a little bit of
[2:20] fine-tuning, shall we? Yeah, dude. Yeah.
[2:24] Please, dude. And I I definitely love
[2:26] the fact that your kids are using the
[2:28] expression you got croned.
[2:31] Yeah. They're like get croned, Dad. Get
[2:34] croned. This is going to be a one off.
[2:37] Yeah. on YouTube and my son will be like
[2:40] get croned. Get croned. Get croned.
[2:44] We're now going to have to start a
[2:45] hashtag. #gotcroned. Yes, dude. It's
[2:48] like not got milk, but it's got
[2:50] [laughter] croned. Got croned.
[2:52] Yeah, dude. Amazing. I've gone on so
[2:55] many walks with you, bro, just listening
[2:56] to every podcast I can get my hands on.
[2:59] I think I first heard you on the know
[3:02] thyself.
[3:03] Oh, yeah. Okay.
[3:04] >> 90 seconds in, dude, I've been looking.
[3:07] I've been looking.
[3:09] >> [clears throat]
[3:10] >> I've been looking, man.
[3:12] And
[3:13] uh then I find you who's like yeah
[3:17] it's not outside of you and I'm LIKE UH
[3:20] GOSH.
[3:23] IT'S JUST BEEN AMAZING, DUDE, for 2
[3:25] years now just going on walks and
[3:26] listening to your podcasts, your
[3:28] interviews
[3:30] and and I teach a home school group that
[3:32] I volunteered to teach and I work with
[3:34] the homeless and I just and I speak at
[3:36] schools and I've been trying to teach
[3:38] your teachings and I've been trying to
[3:41] convey what you convey
[3:43] and
[3:45] yeah, so this is just a gift. So, thank
[3:48] you.
[3:49] Well, thank you. You are clearly a very
[3:52] beautiful joyous spirit and I think this
[3:54] is going to be a wonderful conversation.
[3:56] Thank you
[3:57] for the kind words. Thank you for
[3:59] including me in your family, in your
[4:00] community, the work that you do with
[4:02] others. Obviously it shows the size of
[4:04] your heart. And um
[4:06] I know that you're a musician and one of
[4:08] the things that
[4:10] really touched me about the video you
[4:11] submitted is that you said
[4:14] your motto and see see if I can remember
[4:17] it cuz I know you're very kind in the
[4:18] way you remember my quotes, but it's
[4:20] like if nobody loves you, I do or
[4:22] something like that. Yeah, if no one
[4:23] else loves you, I do. That's my motto.
[4:25] >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's that's
[4:28] pretty damn evident from the start of
[4:30] this conversation. So
[4:32] um I've got a little inclination that
[4:34] maybe just maybe some of that love
[4:38] could be potentially redirected towards
[4:40] yourself, but let's see how we do. Does
[4:43] that make sense? Yeah, that does make
[4:45] sense. Yeah.
[4:46] >> Yeah.
[4:46] So tell me I I for the you know,
[4:48] beautiful millions of people out there
[4:50] in the world who hopefully your story
[4:52] will touch cuz this video and all of
[4:55] these episodes just seem to be getting
[4:56] exponentially
[4:58] more uh
[5:00] um
[5:00] momentum, which is really touching cuz I
[5:03] know it's changing people's lives and I
[5:05] just want to first of all acknowledge
[5:06] you for
[5:07] coming on here, wanting to have a
[5:09] conversation and share your story cuz as
[5:11] human beings I believe that one of the
[5:13] things
[5:14] uh that changes
[5:16] um
[5:16] our lives more than anything is learning
[5:19] and vicariously experiencing other
[5:21] people's stories, woes, and
[5:23] breakthroughs.
[5:24] So give for myself as a refresher bit, I
[5:27] just watched your video again and the
[5:29] viewing audience just a little bit of uh
[5:32] you know, background on Phillip and the
[5:33] things you struggle with cuz I know like
[5:35] all of us it hasn't been that easy.
[5:38] Yeah, thank you, man. Thank you. Um
[5:41] I've honestly had like a magical life,
[5:44] bro.
[5:45] Um
[5:46] I've had so many miracles in my life, so
[5:49] many good things happen.
[5:51] Um
[5:51] >> Yeah.
[5:52] And uh
[5:53] and which is kind of been the
[5:54] frustrating part of this healing journey
[5:57] is
[5:58] being aware that with Anyways.
[6:01] Yeah, so when I was really little, we
[6:03] were in a car accident. I was 19 months
[6:05] old. Well, with me and my couple of of
[6:07] my brothers and our mom passed in that
[6:09] car accident.
[6:10] Your brothers passed, too? Or no, they
[6:12] were okay?
[6:13] Just my mom. My baby brother was in the
[6:15] front seat. He was 6 months old. This
[6:17] was back in '91, so the the seating laws
[6:20] were different. And he had serious brain
[6:23] damage, so he was
[6:25] They thought he'd be a vegetable. I
[6:26] mean, he's a whole miracle story, but he
[6:28] was really badly damaged. We He stayed
[6:31] in the hospital when we went to Oklahoma
[6:34] to bury mom. Mhm.
[6:37] And uh I don't remember
[6:40] the car accident now,
[6:42] but my mom who adopted me told me that I
[6:44] would tell her what happened in the car
[6:46] and that
[6:47] um
[6:49] you know,
[6:50] that mom's head was down and that her
[6:52] eyes were like blinking a lot. And so I
[6:55] don't remember that, but for a time, I
[6:58] guess I remembered it cuz my mom who
[6:59] adopted me would say, "Yeah, you would
[7:01] you told me this happened." And
[7:03] I do remember going to court because we
[7:05] had to demonstrate that we could
[7:07] unbuckle ourselves cuz that was part of
[7:09] the court proceedings was why were the
[7:11] kids unbuckled? And you know, the other
[7:13] side trying to find fault with
[7:16] with our mom, I guess.
[7:18] So that was an experience and then my
[7:20] dad remarried.
[7:22] And the woman he had married he married
[7:24] adopted me and my brothers. Mhm. Um
[7:27] she's an amazing woman.
[7:28] Um but it was really difficult
[7:32] in that household cuz my my dad had five
[7:34] boys and then his wife passed and he
[7:36] remarries and he he adopted his new
[7:39] wife's daughter who became my sister.
[7:42] And she adopted me and my brothers. And
[7:44] then they had two more daughters
[7:45] together. So there was eight kids total.
[7:47] >> Wow. Okay. And I'm the fifth
[7:50] >> you and you and two You were the
[7:51] youngest?
[7:53] No, I was the fourth of the five boys.
[7:55] >> Oh, I got it. Got it. Okay.
[7:57] But [clears throat] but you're So when
[7:58] the car accident, there were two
[7:59] brothers and the other two were just at
[8:00] home or school or whatever.
[8:02] >> One was at school and one was with a
[8:03] babysitter, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So
[8:05] carry on. So big family. Yeah, big
[8:08] family and you know, um
[8:12] my mom and my dad did the best they
[8:13] could. I mean, I look back and they're
[8:15] just My dad's so hard working. He was a
[8:18] bishop in our church from when I was in
[8:20] kindergarten to high school. Mhm. Always
[8:23] working. My mom always making sure we
[8:25] had meals and I always had birthday
[8:27] presents and Christmas presents and new
[8:29] clothes for school.
[8:31] Um but as I look back on my on my
[8:34] childhood,
[8:36] it was beautiful and I had a great
[8:38] childhood, but I know looking back when
[8:39] I was a kid, I was very scared a lot.
[8:42] Um
[8:44] There is There was physical abuse in the
[8:46] home.
[8:47] Um
[8:49] When I was three and a half or four, um
[8:52] there was an experience with my mom
[8:54] where I was pushed down the stairs and
[8:56] my collarbone broke.
[8:58] Um by your mom by the Okay. Yeah, by by
[9:01] yeah, by my mom. So the physical abuse
[9:04] came from the parents, older brothers,
[9:06] both? Yeah, from my mom, yeah. Okay.
[9:09] Okay. Sorry. Um No, that's okay.
[9:12] Uh
[9:13] And uh I just I remember I mean, there's
[9:16] so many there's so many good things to
[9:17] remember, too. Like But I I went to bed.
[9:21] I I remember I'd wake up cold. Sometimes
[9:23] I'd wrap up in the in the uh
[9:26] um
[9:28] It's okay.
[9:31] It's okay.
[9:33] I remember waking up in the middle of
[9:34] the night a lot looking for something
[9:36] dry to sleep in. So, I tried either the
[9:39] shower curtain or
[9:42] um like we had this cover on our couch
[9:44] that was too big for the couch. So,
[9:46] sometimes I'd go wrap up in that.
[9:48] Um
[9:49] Yeah. Really just a you know, a busy
[9:51] life, a lot of things, a lot of great
[9:53] things in life. Like my childhood was
[9:55] beautiful in so many ways.
[9:57] But, I do remember as a kid just kind of
[9:59] surviving and um
[10:01] Yeah. hungry a lot. Um
[10:04] One time I had snuck, this crazy drawer
[10:07] where we'd put leftover
[10:09] um ketchup packets or barbecue sauce
[10:12] packets from McDonald's. Mhm. And one
[10:14] time I had gotten caught sneaking those
[10:17] in the bathroom and I would eat eat the
[10:19] barbecue sauce and I'd put it in the
[10:22] laundry hamper.
[10:24] >> [laughter]
[10:25] >> Good luck What better way to destroy the
[10:28] evidence?
[10:28] >> Yeah, I mean, just genius.
[10:31] >> [laughter]
[10:33] >> Uh and I got in pretty big trouble for
[10:35] that. Um Yeah, especially if it was with
[10:37] the whites.
[10:38] >> [laughter]
[10:39] >> Yeah.
[10:41] Barbecue sauce.
[10:43] >> [laughter]
[10:43] >> Yeah.
[10:44] Um we grew up I grew up in a Mormon home
[10:47] which had had its beautiful parts in so
[10:49] many ways, you know.
[10:50] >> Mhm. Um but definitely a lot of high
[10:53] standards. Yeah. Um
[10:56] The other thing that was that was really
[10:58] difficult when I was 13, looking back
[11:01] now I can see what was happening. I was
[11:03] being groomed by a woman
[11:05] uh in her 40s
[11:07] um who was Just a friend of the family
[11:10] or Yeah. [snorts]
[11:11] Okay. And she would touch me
[11:15] um
[11:16] and then it it eventually led when I was
[11:18] 14, there was a um
[11:20] a a sexual experience Mhm. that I I
[11:24] didn't I didn't understand as a
[11:26] 14-year-old. Yeah. She went and
[11:29] confessed to our local church leaders
[11:32] and they brought me in
[11:33] and I was put on what's called
[11:35] probation.
[11:37] So, I wasn't allowed to take the
[11:39] sacrament. I wasn't allowed to pray in
[11:41] public.
[11:43] Um
[11:44] So, I just remember feeling really sick.
[11:46] Like, I didn't want to eat.
[11:48] Um
[11:49] I just felt really guilty.
[11:51] Um
[11:53] Uh
[11:55] And then uh
[11:56] and then I went on a mission for my
[11:58] church.
[11:59] Mhm. Um cuz I really believed it. I I I
[12:03] really felt like and I can see now where
[12:07] by doing things in the church, it would
[12:08] get the approval of my community, my
[12:12] parents, my family. Yeah. Um and I gave
[12:15] it everything I had and I and I and I
[12:17] believed in it and I really felt like
[12:19] the best thing I can do for the world is
[12:21] go knock doors and help people and give
[12:23] them this message. And
[12:25] um it was on my mission where I first
[12:28] hurt my back. And it wasn't even a big
[12:30] deal. I was just jumping over a ditch
[12:31] and I felt something in my back and I
[12:33] came home and I had my first back
[12:35] surgery.
[12:36] Um
[12:38] And then,
[12:39] you know, I I married my high school
[12:41] sweetheart. We have a beautiful family.
[12:43] Mhm. And I I joined the army when I was
[12:47] 30.
[12:48] And um I came home from army training
[12:52] and then I decided to quit my job cuz I
[12:54] realized I was miserable and I started
[12:55] doing music full-time.
[12:57] And that's when I first started really
[12:59] sitting with all these things that had
[13:01] happened cuz I I really want to make
[13:03] music that helps people. Yeah.
[13:05] I I really
[13:07] I want to I want to help people heal as
[13:09] best I can. Um especially my own
[13:12] siblings who I know are
[13:14] all carrying different things and um
[13:17] Yeah. I was realizing
[13:20] the religion I'm in, I'm limited in how
[13:22] I can help people. Yeah. I just want to
[13:24] be able to help people. Mhm. And the the
[13:28] addicts that I'm
[13:29] I'm wor-
[13:30] sitting with and the homeless that I'm
[13:32] visiting and
[13:34] and and the people in these mental
[13:35] health facilities, what I'm offering
[13:37] with religion isn't
[13:40] what they need right now. Like they need
[13:41] something else and I started to realize
[13:43] I didn't really have anything to help
[13:45] them with. Mhm. And that's when I
[13:47] started realizing I didn't even know how
[13:49] to help myself really. Like
[13:51] >> Yeah.
[13:52] And so I tried to process these things
[13:54] and
[13:56] I just it was a really scary thing to
[13:58] start to realize as I did more research
[14:00] into my own religion that it's not what
[14:02] I thought it was and it was this
[14:04] scary scary experience because I was
[14:07] worried would my wife see me the same if
[14:09] I'm not Mormon. Would my in-laws accept
[14:11] me? Would Yeah.
[14:13] >> This is the the one thing I was good at
[14:15] was being
[14:16] a member of this church and teaching and
[14:19] sharing.
[14:20] And now I'm realizing that none of it is
[14:22] what I thought it was and I started to
[14:25] hit me when I talked to a uh
[14:27] a trauma therapist and she said
[14:31] cuz I had always carried the guilt of
[14:33] that experience those experiences when I
[14:34] was a teenager
[14:36] and she said, "No, you were abused. Like
[14:38] that's you didn't you weren't able to
[14:40] consent." And I was like 31 years old
[14:43] when this hit me and I was like
[14:46] "Oh my gosh. Like what? What is this?"
[14:50] I really thought that I was guilty
[14:52] before God that I had
[14:55] >> done this thing and
[14:57] that's when I pulled my kids out of the
[14:59] church and I and I started to get angry
[15:01] about all this and I started to
[15:04] And now I'm at a place where
[15:07] I just I want to feel healed. I just
[15:18] Um
[15:19] I just I just want to be, you know, I
[15:22] want to stop uh
[15:23] I want to stop running and
[15:25] >> Yeah.
[15:28] Um I can feel where I'm not taking care
[15:31] of myself and I'm I'm eating food that
[15:33] makes me sick and sometimes I'll have
[15:35] three or four Dr. Peppers in a day. Mhm.
[15:38] And and and sometimes like a a sexual
[15:40] release or self-soothing like Mhm. five,
[15:43] six times in a day. Mhm. And then I have
[15:46] all this shame around it and
[15:49] and uh
[15:51] I I I want to help others heal. I want
[15:54] to heal and I've been listening to you
[15:56] for years and I that's been the
[15:58] frustrating thing for me is I I know
[16:01] like what happened happened and couldn't
[16:03] have happened any other way because it
[16:04] didn't and Mhm.
[16:05] >> this is all just a story and and you
[16:09] know, these are all gifts and every
[16:11] trigger is a gift and yes
[16:14] Mhm. and why am I back in the drive-thru
[16:16] again and like why Mhm. Uh and I can
[16:19] look back on these events in my life and
[16:21] I can also see miracles. Mhm.
[16:24] >> And so it's like
[16:26] like pick a story, bro. Like
[16:28] Like I just
[16:30] I just want to be happy and I just
[16:32] um
[16:33] you know, I
[16:35] uh
[16:36] I I just I want to I want to be and and
[16:39] >> Yeah.
[16:40] and that's the frustrating thing is that
[16:43] I'm I'm having this new awareness and I
[16:45] have moments where I feel bliss and
[16:48] beauty and I write these songs and
[16:51] everything makes sense and it's like, oh
[16:53] my god. Like being in that car with my
[16:55] mother, what a gift that was. I got to
[16:58] be with her when she moved on. Like a
[17:00] lot of people don't get that gift and
[17:03] Mhm.
[17:03] >> I'm trying I've been trying to reframe
[17:04] all these things and and make them
[17:06] beautiful. Yeah. And um
[17:10] but then I then I find myself back
[17:13] to using marijuana every day and just
[17:16] wanting to feel good, just wanting
[17:18] Mhm. believing these lies that I know
[17:20] are lies, that if I just take some THC
[17:23] uh then I can relax. And if I just
[17:26] drink the Dr. Pepper uh
[17:28] then I'll feel better. And almost this
[17:31] feeling like if I don't get it, like
[17:33] this
[17:34] like I don't know, like this scary
[17:37] feeling. Yeah. I know that's not
[17:39] healthy.
[17:41] And I just want to be real. I want to be
[17:43] honest, and I want to honestly help
[17:45] people without an agenda. I just want to
[17:48] be able to
[17:49] And when I when I began my music
[17:51] project, it's called Love the World.
[17:53] That's what my LLC is registered as. I
[17:56] kept going back between heal the world
[17:58] or love the world. Should it be heal the
[18:00] world? And finally I was like I don't
[18:02] even know how to heal myself. Like
[18:05] >> [laughter]
[18:05] >> Yeah, yeah. heal the world. Like, come
[18:07] on, bro. So I was like, I don't know how
[18:09] to heal nobody, but I know how to love.
[18:12] I know how to stick with people. I know
[18:13] how to hold people.
[18:15] Yeah.
[18:17] I just for some reason, I don't know why
[18:18] I haven't found that for myself yet.
[18:20] Even though intellectually I
[18:23] I've listened all your stuff, and I've
[18:25] the Tony Robbins and Brené Brown, and
[18:27] I've done ketamine, and I've met with a
[18:28] therapist for years, and the life
[18:30] coaching, and the
[18:32] the journaling, and the mindfulness, and
[18:34] the like
[18:35] Uh
[18:36] what am I missing? And I and I hear you
[18:38] in my head, the only thing that's wrong
[18:40] with you is the fact that you think
[18:41] something's wrong with you. And I cry.
[18:44] And that changed me. Yeah. And then I
[18:46] come back to this
[18:48] state again. And then I got Joe Dispenza
[18:50] in my head, like, yeah, that's the
[18:51] familiar pathway. So try something new.
[18:55] You know what I mean? Like
[18:58] Peter
[18:59] I I just need to get crowned, man. I was
[19:01] going to say, that's the only thing
[19:02] missing. That's the only thing missing
[19:04] is being crowned, right? Let's see if we
[19:06] can't handle that today.
[19:08] Listen, you are a sweetheart. I love the
[19:10] energy. I love the enthusiasm. You
[19:12] clearly have a boundless capacity to
[19:14] love, which is beautiful.
[19:16] Um just again for the reference for
[19:18] people listening, you know, you talked
[19:20] about Dr. Pepper, you know, sexual
[19:22] release, whether that's through porn or
[19:24] just self, you know, um satisfaction.
[19:27] You had uh junk food, but then
[19:30] you have made steps, right? Cuz you were
[19:32] at one point addicted to opioids. Yes.
[19:36] Okay.
[19:36] >> Yeah, and I haven't used those since
[19:38] December of 2023. Which is Yeah,
[19:40] amazing.
[19:41] >> Great. It's Yeah, it's Yeah.
[19:43] Yeah, any other substances?
[19:45] No, like marijuana is I got a a medical
[19:49] marijuana card, and the only other
[19:51] substance is my wife. So, when you say
[19:54] when you when you say porn, like she has
[19:56] been so sweet, so
[20:00] attentive and giving
[20:02] to where I I don't watch porn. I have my
[20:06] own material of my wife. And that is my
[20:10] sexual outlet. It's like my I I call it
[20:13] like my cheat code.
[20:16] But ironically, compared to most men,
[20:19] not cheating cheat code, yeah. Right,
[20:21] yeah. And she's so giving, and every day
[20:24] she's like, "Do you need Do you need
[20:26] something?" Like, "Do you Do you"
[20:28] And I've just I'm at a place where it's
[20:30] like, this isn't on her, like Yeah. It's
[20:33] like
[20:34] you'll never get enough of what almost,
[20:36] you know, works, like you say. So,
[20:38] that's when I knew I I don't know why I
[20:40] keep going. But that's Those are the
[20:42] substances. Marijuana, Dr. Pepper, food,
[20:45] and intimacy with my wife, or
[20:47] intercourse, not intimacy. Yeah, yeah.
[20:49] Okay. Well, I appreciate the
[20:51] vulnerability. I appreciate
[20:54] um your willingness to share your story,
[20:56] and clearly some of the events that have
[20:58] transpired that you shared will have uh
[21:01] contributed to this identity that, you
[21:03] know, I I I love how well versed you are
[21:06] with my work and the quotes, and life
[21:08] will present you with people and
[21:09] circumstances to reveal where you're not
[21:11] free and what happened happened and all
[21:12] the things you said, the only thing you
[21:14] think is wrong with you is thinking
[21:16] there's something wrong with you. So,
[21:17] these are all great, but knowing those
[21:19] things clearly doesn't it it's it
[21:22] they're accurate but insufficient is the
[21:24] way that I put it, right? Meaning that
[21:26] they're not quite getting to the core of
[21:27] what's going on for Philip.
[21:29] So, hopefully today we can um we can
[21:32] access that, okay? Yeah, please, dude.
[21:34] Yes.
[21:36] Let's [ __ ] go.
[21:39] So, [clears throat] a very subtle
[21:40] distinction that I I feel is
[21:44] often
[21:45] um
[21:47] first of all, never discussed and
[21:49] perhaps never even known is with regards
[21:52] to addiction itself. Right? So, if you
[21:54] were to look at weed
[21:57] Dr. Pepper, junk food, sex, how how
[22:00] would you classify those things in the
[22:02] realm of addiction? That they are the
[22:05] what?
[22:07] Uh they are the
[22:09] the fix. They're the They're the
[22:11] addiction. They're the Yeah. So, so
[22:13] typically in the realm of addiction and
[22:15] you know, I've helped people in a a
[22:17] myriad of different ways with all sorts
[22:18] of different substances. Most people
[22:20] will say even think I have an alcohol
[22:22] problem. I have a marijuana problem. I
[22:24] have a cocaine problem, right? So, we
[22:26] tend to look at
[22:28] the substances as {quote} {unquote} the
[22:31] problem. Make sense, right? Like you're
[22:33] whether you're articulating it that way
[22:35] or not, you're looking at, "Okay, I do,
[22:38] you know, relieve myself five times a
[22:39] day. I have three or four Dr. Peppers. I
[22:41] smoke weed every day." They they are
[22:44] albeit perhaps not declared this way,
[22:47] they are perceived as the problem in
[22:49] Philip's life. Correct? Yeah, right.
[22:53] Now, what happens and why this is a
[22:54] powerful distinction is when we look at
[22:56] something as a problem, we generate
[22:58] resistance internally to it.
[23:01] Yeah? Right. Make sense? Whenever we
[23:04] have resistance to something, what that
[23:06] actually does is it exacerbates the
[23:08] desire for it.
[23:11] Yeah, okay. Do you see that? You
[23:13] tracking? Yeah, definitely. Now, the
[23:16] reason we do that is because our essence
[23:18] is freedom.
[23:20] So, think about it this way. If who we
[23:22] are is freedom, meaning we're able to do
[23:24] anything, your nature is freedom,
[23:27] but you're psychologically, emotionally,
[23:30] intellectually telling yourself that you
[23:32] can't do something, then because of our
[23:35] nature of freedom, the inclination is
[23:38] towards that.
[23:39] Do you Do you follow that energetics?
[23:42] >> Oh, okay. So, you're saying
[23:45] I've labeled it as bad, so I don't So, I
[23:48] shouldn't have it, but by saying I
[23:49] shouldn't have it, my soul is like, "No,
[23:52] I'm free. I can have whatever I want."
[23:54] Right. That's the light way of
[23:55] expressing it. So, now, here's the aha
[23:57] moment cuz you're very smart.
[24:00] What I want you to realize, Philip,
[24:02] whether it's sexual addiction, Dr.
[24:04] Pepper, junk food, weed, whatever
[24:07] substance, even back in the day,
[24:08] opioids,
[24:10] listen carefully. None of those are the
[24:12] problem.
[24:14] They are the solution.
[24:21] Now, let that land.
[24:23] Everything that you're partaking in that
[24:25] you call an addiction is not a problem,
[24:27] it's a solution.
[24:33] Okay.
[24:35] I mean, I trust you. I'm going with you
[24:37] on this. Yeah. So, so stay with me.
[24:41] So, if everything that you're choosing
[24:43] unconsciously, so in the world of like
[24:46] ego, we typically are driven by what I
[24:48] call unconscious reactions. So, right
[24:51] now, those solutions that I'm reframing
[24:54] for you are unconscious reactions to the
[24:57] ultimate addiction, which is to the idea
[24:59] of our self.
[25:02] Okay.
[25:03] So Philip at the subconscious level of
[25:06] his own personality will have
[25:09] narratives, pieces of code which we're
[25:11] going to reveal today
[25:13] that generate the internal experience of
[25:15] suffering from which you try to escape.
[25:20] Okay.
[25:20] >> The means of escape is the solution to
[25:23] your suffering.
[25:26] Okay.
[25:27] >> Yeah.
[25:28] Now if we don't deal with the internal
[25:29] suffering, then it doesn't matter how
[25:32] much you try to avoid the solutions,
[25:35] you're being informed by suffering and
[25:38] there is no mammal on the planet that
[25:40] does not try to escape suffering.
[25:43] Right. Okay.
[25:45] So
[25:46] the first reframe for you is your your
[25:49] unconscious programming is doing the the
[25:52] right job.
[25:57] You follow? Meaning So this is a way of
[26:00] acknowledging your conditioning without
[26:02] wanting to perpetuate it or condone it,
[26:04] right? Meaning Oh, Philip at the deepest
[26:07] level and we've got all the evidence, at
[26:09] least I do, as to why your suffering is
[26:12] doing what every human being who suffers
[26:14] does, which is get away from suffering.
[26:18] So
[26:19] in that particular timeline of
[26:22] existence, what you're doing is {quote}
[26:25] correct
[26:27] for the instinct of a mammal.
[26:31] Okay.
[26:33] You follow? Yeah. Okay. So you're
[26:36] >> So first of all what what I'm By doing
[26:38] this, what I want to help you to do is
[26:40] to eradicate, mitigate the judgment and
[26:43] shame that you have about your chosen
[26:46] forms of solution.
[26:48] Yeah. Okay. Does that help soften start
[26:52] to at least go, "Oh, I'm actually doing
[26:55] what any mammal would do when in a
[26:57] position of discomfort? I'm finding
[27:00] comfort." Okay. Yeah.
[27:04] Yeah. So, how does that feel super Yeah,
[27:06] how does that feel?
[27:08] So, it feels like
[27:11] I don't I just feel like I have more
[27:13] compassion for myself. Like So, you're
[27:15] saying I've just been surviving.
[27:17] Correct.
[27:18] >> And none of these things are bad, but
[27:20] No. because I have this subconscious
[27:23] something that's happening, these are
[27:25] naturally a solution for that suffering.
[27:27] Correct.
[27:28] And when you frame it that way, as you
[27:30] just said beautifully, and it you know,
[27:32] it brought up an emotion for you, you
[27:34] can find compassion for yourself. Oh,
[27:37] I'm hurt,
[27:39] suffering, and all I'm doing, albeit at
[27:42] some degree unconsciously,
[27:44] is finding some relief.
[27:48] Yeah. Yeah. With like So, for example,
[27:51] if you're if you're you know, you've got
[27:53] three kids, you said? Five.
[27:55] >> You got You Oh, you got five kids.
[27:57] >> Yeah. Okay, sorry. So, you cuz I know
[27:59] you said the two daughters and the son
[28:00] were saying get cramp. Thank you.
[28:02] Safety in numbers in your family,
[28:04] apparently.
[28:05] >> [laughter]
[28:05] >> All right. So, So, if let's say um you
[28:09] know, your son had burned his finger,
[28:12] right? Just whatever. It was holding
[28:14] trying to make a fire for the family, or
[28:16] was pouring a kettle and grabbed the
[28:18] piece of metal, and then he went to the
[28:20] cold tap.
[28:22] Would you Would you shame him for
[28:24] putting his finger under the cold tap?
[28:26] Oh, no. Of course not. No. Do you see?
[28:30] Yeah.
[28:32] Isn't that Isn't that interesting?
[28:36] Oh my gosh.
[28:38] >> [laughter]
[28:40] >> So, that's level number one, right? So,
[28:43] first of all, huh?
[28:44] No, it just reminded me of Liar Liar
[28:46] with Jim Carrey when the guy walks in on
[28:49] the bathroom and he's like, "What are
[28:50] you doing?" He's like, "I'm kicking my
[28:52] ass. Do you mind?"
[28:54] >> [laughter]
[28:55] >> Yeah, you're very good at that. Welcome
[28:57] to Welcome to your humanity, yeah. I've
[28:59] yet to meet a human being who doesn't at
[29:01] some level beat the [ __ ] out of
[29:02] themselves, yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
[29:05] I'm doing my best to, you know, one mind
[29:08] at a time liberate souls. But anyway,
[29:10] um so, first level, oh my gosh, Philip,
[29:14] albeit not necessarily a conscious
[29:17] choice, which is what we're evolving to
[29:18] versus unconscious reaction, right? We
[29:21] want to move into conscious creation,
[29:23] which we will do by the end of this
[29:24] conversation, you have my word.
[29:26] But right now, we first of all want to
[29:28] see that within the realm of what I call
[29:30] this old operating system of humanity
[29:32] 1.0 mindset,
[29:34] that entire structure of programming is
[29:38] its sole imperative is survival.
[29:41] Now, why is it based in survival?
[29:43] Because the underlying fundamental code
[29:46] is in some sort of inadequacy,
[29:48] insecurity, or scarcity, meaning we're
[29:50] living in a confined view of ourself
[29:54] that creates suffering
[29:56] from which we seek relief.
[30:00] That's just 101 existence. That's a
[30:02] whole world out there, Philip, just not
[30:04] you, right? Yours manifests as what you
[30:06] call, you know, addiction. Someone might
[30:08] be listening to this who's like, "That
[30:10] dude drinks three to four Dr. Pepper's a
[30:12] day? [ __ ] A, welcome to my world,
[30:14] dude." Like, you know, "I'm doing
[30:16] cocaine every hour." Or, you know, I
[30:18] mean, there was There was someone who
[30:19] was drinking 99, you know, Cokes a day
[30:22] that one of my Ayurveda doctors was
[30:23] helping, right? So, relatively speaking,
[30:26] yeah, doesn't really matter. Everybody's
[30:29] got their own form of addiction because,
[30:30] you know, my quotes better than anyone,
[30:32] apparently, and the one I have about
[30:34] addiction is there's no greater
[30:36] addiction than the idea of ourself.
[30:39] Mhm.
[30:41] That's your addiction. Yeah. Yeah.
[30:44] What we want to be able to do today is
[30:46] we want to reveal what is that idea of
[30:49] Philip that creates the suffering that
[30:51] is the precursor to the unconscious draw
[30:54] naturally to a form of relief which you
[30:57] found in you know these four sort of
[31:01] predominant choices, right? Right. And
[31:03] and the other thing that really hurts
[31:05] me, Peter, which I know you're about to
[31:08] help me with is my my my 9-year-old
[31:11] daughter or my 6-year-old daughter.
[31:13] They will come to me and give me love.
[31:15] They will kiss me on the cheek.
[31:17] And they will hug me and I'll just feel
[31:20] in my body like anger.
[31:23] And I I I don't like I don't understand
[31:26] why my sweet little girls are just
[31:28] trying to love their dad and I feel this
[31:32] frustration, this Yeah. anger and I
[31:36] don't get it. Like what?
[31:38] >> That's okay. We'll get to it. Don't
[31:39] worry. It's very clear. It'll all become
[31:42] crystal clear by the time I'm
[31:44] I'm done with your Dr. Pepper drinking
[31:45] ass.
[31:46] >> [laughter]
[31:49] >> Such a wild guy. Three to four cans a
[31:51] day. Oh my god, you're out of control.
[31:53] >> [laughter]
[31:54] >> I live on the wild side, man.
[31:57] Exactly.
[31:59] I should introduce you to some people
[32:00] I've helped. No.
[32:02] All kidding aside, I don't want to in
[32:04] any way adjust you you're just so fun to
[32:05] be with and I don't want to dismiss the
[32:07] you know the the
[32:09] the struggles that you've been through
[32:10] and the the the amount of love that you
[32:13] still bring to other people even in the
[32:14] face of your own suffering. It's it's
[32:16] really inspiring. So Thanks, bro.
[32:18] >> But now at least you're starting to see
[32:19] the cascade of how
[32:21] subconscious constraints lead to
[32:23] thoughts, feelings, and then behaviors
[32:25] um or actions which create outcomes,
[32:28] right? Yeah. So in this case what we're
[32:30] doing is I'm reverse engineering which I
[32:32] do with everybody back to the
[32:33] subconscious programming that
[32:35] fundamentally got triggered, not
[32:38] created, but stimulated in childhood,
[32:40] right? This is the much more esoteric
[32:42] understanding for the more advanced
[32:44] listener. Is my assertion is that we are
[32:47] here to transcend the constraints with
[32:50] which we arrived.
[32:52] Okay, it's not because your mom died in
[32:55] a car accident when you're 19 months.
[32:56] It's not because you were groomed and
[32:58] then sexually abused by a woman when you
[33:00] were 14. Those are
[33:03] the {quote} {unquote} catalysts
[33:06] to trigger the underlying constraints
[33:09] with which the soul Philip arrived that
[33:12] he's here to fundamentally transcend. I
[33:15] know that's
[33:17] quite a mouthful, but you're familiar
[33:18] with my work, so hopefully you're
[33:19] tracking. Oh, yeah, dude. I've been
[33:21] looking forward to this part for years,
[33:22] bro.
[33:23] >> [laughter]
[33:24] >> Okay.
[33:25] We could even argue that this was the
[33:27] reason you incarnated to be groomed.
[33:29] Dude, I'm I'm here for it, man.
[33:32] I [laughter and gasps] know.
[33:33] I know. Okay, beautiful. So,
[33:35] let's go back to those events and
[33:37] they're certainly two or three and it'll
[33:38] also tie into why your beautiful six and
[33:40] nine-year-old daughters come and kiss
[33:42] you on the cheek and yet you feel
[33:44] internally a form of resistance, which
[33:46] we already we we already spoke to,
[33:49] right? Right? We've got the the
[33:51] substances and you've got resistance.
[33:52] You're In your own words, you said,
[33:54] "Yeah, you're seeing them as bad,
[33:56] right?" Yeah.
[33:58] And so now the frustration or even the
[34:00] anger that you experience when your two
[34:02] beautiful daughters come to give you
[34:03] love will make a lot of sense by the
[34:06] time that you start to see who is Philip
[34:08] in the way that he has defined himself.
[34:11] Okay? Okay.
[34:13] So now, ironically, it wasn't so much
[34:16] what I hear in your story. It wasn't so
[34:18] much,
[34:20] you know, both events that you have kind
[34:22] of highlighted, the mom dying, which is
[34:24] of course tragic and and and I I'm
[34:26] really sorry you went through that, and
[34:28] certainly the sexual abuse, which I've
[34:30] helped a a of people go through.
[34:32] I feel the one of the most pivotal
[34:34] moments actually that has defined
[34:36] Philip's persona is the when you got
[34:41] um
[34:42] excommunicated shall we say the probate
[34:44] that you had to experience from the
[34:45] church.
[34:47] Yeah.
[34:49] Because what was that like? What when
[34:51] that 14-year-old and it's coming to the
[34:53] surface now for you, what what did you
[34:56] decide at that moment that that meant
[34:58] about you?
[35:00] Um
[35:01] that I was
[35:03] not worthy.
[35:04] Not worthy is a nice way of saying it.
[35:06] What else? That I was I was bad. That I
[35:09] was
[35:10] evil or
[35:12] Yeah. Not good.
[35:15] When I listen to your video, it gives me
[35:17] chills cuz for whatever reasons that I'm
[35:19] blessed with the ability to listen to a
[35:21] story and immediately hear the
[35:22] underlying subconscious constraints that
[35:24] confined people
[35:26] all I could hear
[35:28] was somebody who fundamentally thinks
[35:30] they're a bad person.
[35:36] What is that like to live inside of
[35:38] that, Philip?
[35:42] It's okay. Just let let it all out. Keep
[35:44] feeling it.
[35:50] It's okay.
[35:54] That who you are for yourself is bad and
[35:56] relative to your community
[35:59] your family
[36:01] Yeah, it's it's scary. It feels like I'm
[36:03] constantly going to get found out. Like
[36:05] people are
[36:07] constantly going to like when when they
[36:08] do they won't like me anymore. They
[36:10] won't love me. It's it's it's
[36:12] exhausting.
[36:14] I keep having to prove something to
[36:16] people.
[36:17] Yeah.
[36:18] Yeah. Yeah.
[36:22] Yeah, I get it. Just stay there for a
[36:24] minute. Like you've been walking around
[36:27] your how old now? 36? 30 36, yeah.
[36:30] Yeah, for over three decades that who
[36:33] you are for yourself
[36:35] is that you're just bad.
[36:38] And there could be other words that come
[36:39] to mind. You're rotten, you're trash,
[36:42] you're dirty is another word that I
[36:44] feel.
[36:45] Does that resonate?
[36:47] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
[36:51] I mean, that's just dirty, right? What
[36:52] you went through that you you know, you
[36:54] don't belong now in the church. Yeah.
[36:57] >> You're so filthy.
[36:59] Yeah.
[37:07] What are some of the ways that when you
[37:08] live inside of that prison that you have
[37:10] learned to compensate? Um
[37:14] to
[37:15] like especially when I was in the
[37:16] church, I I studied the scriptures more
[37:19] than anybody and I memorized scriptures
[37:21] and I volunteered for every class and I
[37:24] said yes even when I didn't want to.
[37:27] And
[37:28] um
[37:30] and I
[37:31] did the things that nobody else wanted
[37:33] to do and I volunteered in nursery and I
[37:37] basically just abandoned myself trying
[37:39] to prove to everybody in church like see
[37:42] I'm I'm a good guy.
[37:44] >> [laughter]
[37:44] >> Yeah. Um All the while reinforcing what?
[37:48] That I'm bad.
[37:50] Now look at that. Look at all the
[37:52] energy, the effort, the time, the the
[37:54] the abandonment as you said, the way you
[37:56] compromised yourself, the exhaustion you
[37:59] put yourself through.
[38:01] Always always reinforcing the very thing
[38:04] that you were desperately trying to
[38:06] escape.
[38:15] Yeah.
[38:16] It's a lot, I know.
[38:19] It's okay.
[38:22] Now now you're starting to see
[38:25] the cause of the addiction, the home of
[38:29] the addiction.
[38:32] Yeah.
[38:34] Yeah.
[38:36] I just always trying to make
[38:38] people like me and feel safe around me.
[38:42] And then I say and do things and then
[38:45] like 10 minutes later be like, "Wait,
[38:47] why did I do that?"
[38:50] Uh
[38:51] But now but I but you're saying it's
[38:53] because it's because I was trying so
[38:55] desperately to prove that I wasn't bad.
[38:58] Yeah.
[38:59] Unconscious reaction.
[39:02] Meaning it's not something you believe.
[39:04] People talk about limiting beliefs. This
[39:05] is way below limiting beliefs. This is
[39:08] far deeper.
[39:10] You've heard me say it cuz you're
[39:11] familiar with my work. This is the you
[39:13] that you are for yourself.
[39:16] Philip isn't walking around believing
[39:18] he's bad.
[39:20] Right.
[39:21] >> Philip, in his own definition of
[39:23] himself, is bad.
[39:30] And that's why you can't see it. Yeah.
[39:33] I mean, look at the way you describe,
[39:36] defined Dr. Pepper, weed, sex,
[39:40] right, and junk food. How did you
[39:42] describe them? That you saw them. I
[39:44] said, "You create resistance cuz you
[39:46] think that they are
[39:48] bad.
[39:50] No surprise in the choice of words.
[39:56] Oh, and now I can see where I tried to
[39:59] make sex not bad cuz it's my wife.
[40:02] Right.
[40:03] That's
[40:05] >> [laughter]
[40:07] >> Okay.
[40:08] We don't see the way the world is, we
[40:10] see the way that we see the world.
[40:14] Yeah.
[40:15] Isn't that powerful? Yeah.
[40:18] It's not the world that we see, it's the
[40:22] way that we see.
[40:24] Now, if who you are is bad, so let's
[40:26] just take one let's just take let's stay
[40:29] as objective as possible.
[40:31] In the world of pure physics,
[40:34] is Dr. Pepper bad?
[40:37] No, it's just a drink.
[40:39] >> No, it's Dr. [ __ ] Pepper. Yeah.
[40:41] >> [laughter]
[40:43] >> Right? Yeah. Yeah. So, what I want you
[40:47] to understand is and again, I'm not in
[40:48] any way dismissing the fact that like I
[40:50] don't you know, I don't promote sodas,
[40:52] you know, this is by no means a
[40:54] commercial for Dr. Pepper. They'll
[40:56] suddenly be reaching out to Peter Crone.
[40:58] We'd like to sponsor your podcast. I'm
[41:00] like,
[41:01] no, I'm not interested.
[41:03] My friend Philip told me you're bad.
[41:05] >> [laughter]
[41:09] >> No, but we we understand also in the
[41:11] realm of physics. Like let's take a more
[41:13] bigger example, okay, this might be
[41:14] harder and especially for the listening
[41:16] audience.
[41:17] Is heroin bad?
[41:21] No, right?
[41:22] >> No, it's heroin. Yeah.
[41:25] Now,
[41:26] I want you to be able to understand
[41:28] whether we take you know, a slightly
[41:29] more mild you know, substance like Dr.
[41:31] Pepper or heroin. I'm not saying that I
[41:34] suggest anybody do them. Everything in
[41:36] the world of karma, cause and effect,
[41:39] has impact.
[41:41] Everything.
[41:42] Sure.
[41:43] >> Right? Yeah. You know, you could say
[41:44] that the guy who goes to the gym who
[41:46] used to be an addict, who now goes to
[41:48] the gym for 3 hours a day and he jogs
[41:50] and he's training for like his fifth
[41:51] marathon of the year and it's only like
[41:54] coming up to the end of April whenever
[41:55] it is. Like
[41:57] that that might look like, oh, the
[41:58] dude's really fit. I would still say
[42:00] that he's being driven by an addiction.
[42:02] Do you see? Yeah.
[42:05] It's like Shakespeare said, nothing in
[42:07] nothing is either good nor bad, but only
[42:09] thinking makes Is so. Yeah. Yeah.
[42:12] >> Isn't that beautiful? Dude, yeah. In the
[42:15] realm of physics, you know, somebody
[42:17] like myself with a very sensitive
[42:18] constitution cuz I would like to declare
[42:20] that I take immaculate care of myself.
[42:22] If I were to drink two or three Dr.
[42:24] Peppers a day, it would definitely make
[42:26] a mess, you know, in what you know, it's
[42:28] just my I don't drink soda. I just don't
[42:30] want to touch it, right? So, but for
[42:32] somebody who's accustomed to it, maybe
[42:35] their body has adapted to the point that
[42:37] well, it doesn't have the same degree of
[42:39] impact.
[42:40] But, the cause and effects are over the
[42:42] long term, again, like smoking. If
[42:44] someone has got a constitution like an
[42:46] an ox, they might be able to smoke for
[42:48] decades and be okay. Somebody who's more
[42:50] sensitive, you know, they might develop,
[42:53] you know, lung cancer or, you know,
[42:54] whatever it is that they're going to
[42:55] develop. So, we want to stay in the
[42:57] realm of physics, right? Okay. Where
[43:01] people suffer is in the realm of
[43:02] perspective.
[43:05] Right? You're not a victim of
[43:06] circumstance. You're not a victim of,
[43:08] you know, sex, Dr. Pepper, junk food,
[43:11] and freaking marijuana. You're a victim
[43:13] of a perspective that you're looking
[43:15] through.
[43:16] So, is this why cuz I've noticed that
[43:18] often times I will turn to these things
[43:20] when things are great.
[43:22] I'll get out of an assembly with all
[43:23] these kids or a assisted living facility
[43:26] and I'm on cloud nine
[43:28] and then I want, you know, the double
[43:31] cheeseburger or the vape the THC vape.
[43:34] Is that Are you saying it's because
[43:36] innately there's a part of me that's
[43:38] like, oh, no, no, no, no, I'm bad,
[43:40] remember? Correct. We always have to
[43:42] think about the thermostat in a house.
[43:46] If the thermostat in a house is set to
[43:48] 70°,
[43:49] if it suddenly gets cold outside and it
[43:51] starts to drop to 68, 67, what will it
[43:55] do?
[43:57] It'll kick in and put it back to the
[43:59] Correct.
[44:01] Conversely, you know, if it gets too hot
[44:03] outside,
[44:04] it will turn on the AC and bring it back
[44:07] down.
[44:08] So, think of that in terms of the same
[44:10] for our own identity. The way that we've
[44:13] defined ourselves at a very deep
[44:14] subconscious level has to constantly be
[44:17] rectified.
[44:20] I see. Okay.
[44:22] So, you The good news is you're never
[44:24] going to get too far off, you know, like
[44:25] those substances can accumulate over
[44:28] time, like you know,
[44:29] somebody will say, "Oh, you know, weed
[44:31] is a gateway drug, right?" And then you
[44:33] become like you get into the heavier
[44:35] stuff as you go. But really the gateway
[44:37] drug is is this as I declared this
[44:39] ultimate addiction is the idea of
[44:40] yourself. So, sometimes it becomes
[44:42] slippery where and I don't want to get
[44:45] too into the linguistics of how these
[44:47] codes define personality. That's what I
[44:49] You know, for people who are interested,
[44:51] that's what I do in the mastermind. I
[44:53] know you're in freedom membership,
[44:54] right? But the mastermind is where I
[44:56] help people understand and I'm going to
[44:57] give like a little insight today.
[45:00] Most human beings in their identity are
[45:02] defined by something they're not.
[45:05] Now, what does that mean? I'm not good
[45:08] enough. I'm not loved.
[45:11] I'm not valued or worthy, right? Can you
[45:14] see that? Yeah. Yeah. When a human
[45:18] being's identity is defined by what
[45:20] we're not,
[45:21] our
[45:23] our compromise and coping strategy tends
[45:26] to be try and become that thing.
[45:29] To compensate.
[45:30] >> So, if I'm If I'm not good enough, I'm
[45:33] going to as a strategy for survival
[45:36] become a people pleaser, perfectionist,
[45:39] work hard as a an attempt to become
[45:42] enough. Do you see that? Yeah. Yeah.
[45:45] Make sense, right? It's logical. Right.
[45:48] With somebody like yourself, there's a
[45:50] shadow side of what I call these
[45:52] negations of self, which is well, I am
[45:54] something negative.
[45:56] So, the antithesis of I'm not good
[45:58] enough is I am bad.
[46:02] So, Philip's identity has fallen into
[46:05] the shadow side, which is why you
[46:06] struggled with it for so long, or it's
[46:08] manifesting in a way that will
[46:11] you know, you're 36, but over time that
[46:13] would lead to physiological issues and
[46:15] you know, you've got a beautiful doting
[46:17] wife and lovely kids.
[46:19] But for most people in the shadow side
[46:22] of a compromised
[46:24] constraint of oneself, there tends to be
[46:26] a lot of destruction, right? Divorce,
[46:30] sickness, disease, loss of jobs, all the
[46:32] things like that, right? Yeah.
[46:35] Yeah.
[46:36] Do you see? So, now
[46:39] So,
[46:40] why I'm so happy that you're here today
[46:41] and you clearly have such a beautiful
[46:43] powerful spirit, which is why you
[46:44] haven't cascaded too far down the I am
[46:48] bad, you know, route, which a lot of
[46:51] people when they're in that tend to
[46:53] fulfill on.
[46:55] So, what I want you to understand is
[46:57] first of all, you're doing a a hell of a
[46:59] job to have kicked the opioids and to
[47:01] still be making a huge difference for
[47:03] the homeless and the people that you,
[47:05] you know, touch, which is beautiful. So,
[47:08] I just want to acknowledge that, okay?
[47:09] Thanks, bro.
[47:11] Yeah, of course. So,
[47:13] but now you start to see, oh, if who you
[47:15] are, not what you believe, but who you
[47:17] are is that I am bad,
[47:21] you can now see the cascade, right?
[47:23] Yeah.
[47:25] Yeah.
[47:26] Yeah. Yeah. So, when my my daughters
[47:29] come to love on me,
[47:31] Yeah.
[47:32] it's it it's me saying, why are you
[47:35] loving someone bad?
[47:37] Is that what you think?
[47:37] >> make sense. Yeah. It doesn't resonate.
[47:40] It doesn't align. And so, your
[47:43] fundamental identity at the deepest
[47:45] level has to
[47:47] do something in order to prevail, to
[47:50] sustain itself. See, the ego of every
[47:53] human being fundamentally is fictitious.
[47:56] Right.
[47:57] Uh so, in for it to prevail, it has to
[48:01] keep finding evidence or create its own
[48:04] to exist.
[48:07] Isn't that nuts?
[48:09] Yeah.
[48:10] It's nuts, man.
[48:12] Yeah, and you wonder why people out
[48:13] there are [ __ ] do you know, excuse
[48:15] my French, but you know, both sick and
[48:17] tired of being sick and tired, but they
[48:19] don't believe they have the life they
[48:20] want and they keep wondering why they
[48:22] the the self-fulfilling prophecy is
[48:24] leading to all of the discomfort and
[48:26] suffering that they have. Well, you're
[48:28] just constantly being right about your
[48:30] own identity.
[48:33] Yeah.
[48:35] >> [laughter]
[48:36] >> Bonkers, isn't it? Yeah, I've been so
[48:38] good at it though.
[48:40] Why here?
[48:42] Everybody's so good at being, you know,
[48:44] wrong about themselves. I mean, that's
[48:46] the human disposition. That is the
[48:48] insidious nature of what I call the 1.0
[48:51] mindset. That's why I've created the new
[48:53] operating system for humanity.
[48:55] To break out of the world of limitation,
[48:58] fear, suffering, disease, and scarcity.
[48:59] That is the world that we have. And then
[49:01] on top of that, we just have the myriad
[49:03] of forms of coping strategies and
[49:05] survival techniques to try and mitigate
[49:08] it. All of which do nothing but
[49:10] reinforce it. And you have the mad world
[49:13] [ __ ] show of planet Earth that we
[49:15] currently have.
[49:16] So this is why I've had my spine fused
[49:19] after three surgeries is cuz I I keep
[49:22] I've constantly been in an environment
[49:25] where I've been living in a world where
[49:27] I'm bad
[49:29] and
[49:31] and my body's just been carrying that
[49:33] weight is what you're saying. Just an
[49:35] absolutely unnecessary burden from which
[49:38] you can never escape.
[49:40] Right.
[49:42] Yeah.
[49:45] >> [laughter]
[49:45] >> God.
[49:48] Oh, man, this is why I love you, bro.
[49:50] Dude, I'm telling you, man. Yes. Okay.
[49:53] Okay. So, that's level one there. So,
[49:56] now we're getting down to the deeper
[49:57] level. So, where was Philip born? Dude,
[50:00] I've been waiting for this for years,
[50:01] bro. Okay. [laughter]
[50:03] I was born in North Carolina, Peter.
[50:06] Okay.
[50:07] So, Philip,
[50:09] this is your moment. If I cut you open,
[50:13] am I going to find a physical
[50:14] manufacturing label, pick your material,
[50:16] wood, metal, plastic, that says on it,
[50:18] Philip, born in North Carolina, he is
[50:21] bad?
[50:24] >> [laughter]
[50:25] >> No, man. No, you won't.
[50:28] >> [laughter]
[50:32] [clears throat]
[50:34] [laughter]
[50:36] >> Oh, man. Go ahead. My bad. Go ahead. No,
[50:39] no, no. This is
[50:40] >> [laughter]
[50:41] >> My bad.
[50:42] Hey.
[50:45] Just got to help yourself. This guy.
[50:48] This guy. He's on fuego.
[50:49] >> Okay. Okay. No, man. No, you won't find
[50:51] it there. It's not in there.
[50:52] >> No, it's not part of his physiology,
[50:54] right? But we if we could read the
[50:55] genome, we'd understand your body
[50:57] constitution, your eye color, all the
[50:59] things, right? Somebody would be able to
[51:00] read that. So, where therefore does I'm
[51:03] bad exist? Because for over three
[51:05] decades, three and a half, it has
[51:06] dictated your thoughts, your feelings,
[51:09] your actions, and now these {quote}
[51:11] {unquote} addictions that you've been
[51:12] dealing with. So, where does the I'm bad
[51:14] live?
[51:15] In my head. In the conversation.
[51:18] Exactly. And where did that
[51:21] predominantly get formulated from?
[51:25] What what would you say was the most
[51:27] pivotal experience
[51:33] that you've already referenced and that
[51:34] I I I repeated for you?
[51:36] >> From the experience when I was when I
[51:37] was a teenager and experienced sexual
[51:39] abuse.
[51:40] >> Yeah.
[51:41] That you got probation and that you were
[51:42] basically {quote} {unquote} kicked out,
[51:44] shamed. Yeah. And that young boy
[51:48] then at that moment decided what that
[51:50] meant about him.
[51:53] Yeah.
[51:54] And that's when I started to do all the
[51:55] church stuff and got way into
[51:57] everything. Of course, which was the
[51:59] compensation, which is the logical
[52:01] progression because at the deepest level
[52:04] of who we are, we want to experience our
[52:07] essence, which is unity.
[52:10] Yeah. Yeah.
[52:12] So just as I said earlier, your nature
[52:14] is freedom. When you have resistance to
[52:17] in this case, you know, substances, your
[52:20] inherent freedom doesn't like not having
[52:23] freedom, so you're drawn to them.
[52:26] If you experience from your essence
[52:29] unity, but now you experience the
[52:31] feeling of separation or
[52:32] excommunication,
[52:34] what are you going to do?
[52:36] Try and get back to it. Of course.
[52:38] That's all any human being is doing. We
[52:40] want to experience our own divine
[52:43] essence of unity, which we can never
[52:45] access cuz we look through the illusion
[52:47] of a separate ego.
[52:50] >> [laughter]
[52:52] >> BRO, I'M TELLING YOU, MAN. YES.
[52:55] OH, get crowned, Phillip. Gosh.
[52:59] >> [laughter]
[52:59] >> So it lives in your head in what form?
[53:02] You said a conversation language, right?
[53:04] >> yes. In sound. In sound. It's literally
[53:06] So who you are is a divine essence of
[53:09] pure possibility, limitlessness,
[53:11] absolutely boundless potential that's
[53:14] being confined, imprisoned by sound. In
[53:17] this case, sound that who you are is
[53:19] bad.
[53:21] Yeah.
[53:22] So if it is just sound, if it is just
[53:24] language, it's literally words saying
[53:26] that you are bad, is it true that who
[53:29] you are is bad?
[53:32] No.
[53:34] Not at all. Oh, man.
[53:38] >> [laughter]
[53:40] >> Oh.
[53:43] Welcome to freedom, my man. [laughter]
[53:47] Thank you, bro.
[53:49] Oh.
[53:50] Just sit with it. You have been living
[53:52] in one of the most common, insidious,
[53:54] destructive lies. It's a lie.
[53:58] And what's so beautiful about you, I've
[54:00] never met anybody on this show who's so
[54:03] committed to truth.
[54:06] Thanks.
[54:06] >> why this is going to be just such a such
[54:09] a joyous transformation for you. Oh.
[54:13] Yeah. You You can't overcome a lie.
[54:17] Dude.
[54:20] Yeah. That's why I've been doing so much
[54:22] damn research. Good night.
[54:26] Oh.
[54:27] >> Yeah.
[54:28] And now I don't have to.
[54:30] >> [laughter]
[54:31] >> You can drink MORE DR. PEPPER.
[54:37] OH GOSH. I highly don't recommend it.
[54:41] But anyway, so
[54:42] But what's the difference now? If you
[54:44] did
[54:45] So now we want to make We want to make
[54:47] the collapse. Okay.
[54:48] >> If you were from this position of
[54:52] realizing that you're not bad, if you
[54:55] drank Dr. Pepper, what does that mean?
[54:58] It means I drank Dr. PEPPER. EXACTLY.
[55:01] [laughter]
[55:06] SO NOW GET THIS ONE. When your six and
[55:08] nine-year-old daughters come in and kiss
[55:11] you on the cheek,
[55:13] what now becomes available from this
[55:15] space?
[55:16] Oh.
[55:19] Oh.
[55:21] I can just receive their love.
[55:24] Yep. Oh. And I can kiss them back.
[55:28] Yep.
[55:29] Oh.
[55:31] They just got their dad today.
[55:34] Yeah.
[55:36] Isn't that special?
[55:40] Yeah, I was telling my wife Danny. I was
[55:42] like, I just know he's going to say go
[55:44] meet your daughters and I'm so ready for
[55:46] it.
[55:47] Yeah.
[55:49] I'd say go meet your daughters, go meet
[55:51] your wife, go meet your son. Yeah.
[55:55] I would I'm excited to meet myself. You
[55:57] know, I've been a good guy this whole
[55:58] time.
[55:59] >> [laughter]
[56:02] >> You really have.
[56:05] Such a good guy who tried so hard. He's
[56:07] such a good guy that he tried so hard to
[56:10] disprove his own lie that HE WAS BAD.
[56:13] >> [laughter]
[56:18] >> DUDE.
[56:21] OH MY GOSH, PETER. YES. DUDE, I got
[56:25] crowned, bro.
[56:27] >> [laughter]
[56:28] >> Yeah. Going to have to get you a
[56:29] t-shirt. I knew this was coming. We
[56:32] might have to do that for everyone who's
[56:34] on the show.
[56:35] Yeah.
[56:36] Oh, man. Yes, I get to meet my
[56:39] daughters.
[56:40] How special is that?
[56:42] As you, as the boundless, loving,
[56:45] beautiful soul that you truly are.
[56:50] Really feel it. Your nature
[56:53] is love.
[56:56] What's What's Tell everybody your motto?
[57:00] If no one else loves you, I do.
[57:03] Now, apply that to yourself.
[57:05] Yeah.
[57:06] God.
[57:12] You really You really had it. The way
[57:14] that you saw the world was nobody else
[57:16] loved you. How could they? You're bad.
[57:18] That's why I would go and visit people
[57:20] in jails and state the state prison.
[57:24] And I've wanted to do this
[57:26] I've wanted to do this this like one of
[57:28] my secret like dreams and goals is to
[57:31] create a non-profit
[57:33] where we have health professionals when
[57:36] the politician committed adultery or the
[57:39] teacher had inappropriate relations with
[57:41] the student or somebody killed somebody
[57:43] and all of society is looking at this
[57:45] person and judging them.
[57:47] And every time that happens all I can
[57:49] think to myself is
[57:51] I don't know but I this is a human
[57:53] being. How much How much were they
[57:55] hurting that they ruined their life like
[57:58] this?
[57:59] And so I think what
[58:01] what I hear you saying is the reason I
[58:03] was drawn to those people is because I
[58:05] was looking for myself. Both looking for
[58:07] yourself but also the beauty of the fact
[58:09] that you could recognize within them
[58:11] that which you were struggling with
[58:13] yourself.
[58:15] Yeah. And that's what bred compassion.
[58:18] I guarantee you as a generalization
[58:21] there's not anybody in prison that I've
[58:22] helped a lot and we gift a lot of my
[58:24] courses to inmates that doesn't think
[58:27] they're fundamentally bad. Society has
[58:29] confirmed it.
[58:31] But it's the chicken and the egg, which
[58:32] came first, right? I would assert that
[58:34] that soul incarnated with the story they
[58:36] were bad and then had to curate the
[58:38] events to confirm it.
[58:40] Frequency precedes form. That's how
[58:42] powerful we are.
[58:44] Didn't matter where you looked, Philip,
[58:45] you were always going to see bad.
[58:49] And then you try to compensate which of
[58:51] course is logical and because you're a
[58:52] beautiful soul and you didn't want to
[58:54] experience suffering, everybody as I
[58:56] said is trying to mitigate their own
[58:57] suffering. Oh, man.
[59:00] Yeah. And now where's the suffering? Oh,
[59:04] it was just a story. It's It's not even
[59:07] It isn't.
[59:08] So then who needs marijuana? Who needs
[59:11] Dr. Pepper? Who needs junk food?
[59:13] Oh.
[59:15] And even if you have it periodically cuz
[59:17] there may still be what I call karmic
[59:19] momentum in your physiology, meaning
[59:21] your physiology like, you know, when
[59:22] people have a lot of imbalances in their
[59:25] gut, they might be drawn to certain
[59:26] foods. You know, when women go through
[59:28] pregnancy, there are certain
[59:29] inclinations towards tastes and you
[59:31] know, so your physiology might still
[59:33] inform a habit.
[59:35] But now you get to have conscious
[59:38] choice.
[59:39] Is choosing Dr. Pepper junk food
[59:41] marijuana in Philip's best interest when
[59:45] who he sees himself to be is this
[59:47] boundless limitless being who warrants
[59:50] love?
[59:51] Who is love? Of course not. Yeah.
[59:54] Exactly. But now it's a choice as
[59:56] opposed to before it was an unconscious
[59:58] reaction. Right.
[59:59] >> Which had its own undeniable momentum
[1:00:02] that was very hard to overcome. Some
[1:00:04] people do it with willpower. You managed
[1:00:06] to do that with your opioids.
[1:00:08] But you can never over time overcome
[1:00:11] that which is persistently there.
[1:00:14] That's what I said, you know, you can
[1:00:15] never get something of enough of
[1:00:16] something that almost works. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:00:21] But now you get to make a choice for
[1:00:23] yourself from love.
[1:00:26] Right. I get to take care of me.
[1:00:29] What a novel thought.
[1:00:31] >> [laughter]
[1:00:32] >> Yeah, cuz I'm the good guy. I'm a good
[1:00:35] guy.
[1:00:35] >> [ __ ] A.
[1:00:37] Been a good guy the whole time.
[1:00:39] You have. And just And just because this
[1:00:43] is an important distinction
[1:00:46] that will give you power.
[1:00:48] You have been a good guy all the time.
[1:00:50] You are a good guy and and not or or but
[1:00:55] by virtue of being human you have the
[1:00:58] capacity
[1:01:00] to experience yourself as bad and act
[1:01:03] accordingly.
[1:01:05] I see. Okay, yeah. Yeah.
[1:01:07] I It's important that we integrate that
[1:01:10] versus dismiss it. So that like you
[1:01:13] said, if there's karmic momentum if
[1:01:14] something happens, I don't fall into a
[1:01:16] cycle of ah
[1:01:18] See I I [ __ ] up. I need to be crowned
[1:01:20] again. I'm such a bad guy. I knew I
[1:01:22] couldn't keep it up. All of those
[1:01:23] stories would only be reinforcing the
[1:01:26] underlying bad that you haven't
[1:01:28] incorporated or included.
[1:01:31] Right. Okay.
[1:01:32] >> Can you feel the power in that? Because
[1:01:33] otherwise, if you walk around now Philip
[1:01:35] as a good guy, you leave yourself
[1:01:37] ironically more vulnerable again. Cuz no
[1:01:41] one can sustain that. Right. Right.
[1:01:43] Okay. Yeah.
[1:01:45] Okay. That makes sense.
[1:01:48] So, the way I would say to the deep
[1:01:49] energetic level is who you are is love.
[1:01:53] And love makes space for all of it.
[1:01:56] Yeah.
[1:01:58] Yeah. Dude, you talk my language, bro.
[1:02:01] Yes, love.
[1:02:03] Yes. When you go into these
[1:02:05] incarceration facilities or you see
[1:02:07] homeless, you don't judge them, do you?
[1:02:09] No.
[1:02:10] No, but objectively the way that they've
[1:02:12] ended up where they are is because of
[1:02:14] consequences and actions that, you know,
[1:02:16] according to society aren't agreed upon
[1:02:18] or they're frowned upon, right? But you
[1:02:21] come in with no judgment. Because in
[1:02:24] that relationship, you're making space
[1:02:26] for their indiscretions. You're making
[1:02:28] space for their shortcomings. You're
[1:02:31] making space for their humanity. Yeah.
[1:02:35] Now you get to make space for Philip's.
[1:02:39] So, now I'm going to blow another part
[1:02:41] of your mind. Are you ready?
[1:02:42] >> Dude, I'm ready, man.
[1:02:44] You never, ever wanted to be healed.
[1:02:51] Because there was nothing to be healed.
[1:02:54] You just wanted to be held.
[1:02:57] For your imperfections.
[1:03:00] That 14-year-old, wherever you were and
[1:03:02] you had this big, you know, brouhaha
[1:03:04] scene and you were put on probation and
[1:03:07] all the things, that 14-year-old wanted
[1:03:10] somebody to hold him and say, "It's
[1:03:12] okay.
[1:03:14] You're not bad for what happened." And
[1:03:16] in fact, it took, you know, as you said,
[1:03:18] 17 years later whenever you're 31 and a
[1:03:20] therapist said, "No, you were abused."
[1:03:23] That was the first time you got a
[1:03:24] glimpse of like, "Oh, I didn't do
[1:03:26] anything wrong." Yeah.
[1:03:31] So again, your journey for healing
[1:03:33] perpetuates what? The idea that there's
[1:03:36] something to be healed.
[1:03:39] >> [laughter]
[1:03:46] >> Oh, man, Peter.
[1:03:50] Oh.
[1:03:52] I I So, okay. I was going to say I am
[1:03:55] healed, but that would just perpetuate
[1:03:56] that I was broken.
[1:03:58] I'm just I am.
[1:04:00] You are.
[1:04:01] And then depending on what lens you look
[1:04:03] through based on the narratives and the
[1:04:04] stories that we typically curate from
[1:04:06] our childhood, we will form a life to
[1:04:10] represent that.
[1:04:12] So if you're always looking to be
[1:04:13] healed, then you must say fundamentally
[1:04:15] there's something wrong with you. No,
[1:04:17] you went through what you went through
[1:04:18] and by the way, it's already finished.
[1:04:20] Right. It happened forever ago.
[1:04:23] 22 years ago you had this moment with
[1:04:25] this 40-year-old woman. 22 like
[1:04:28] even physiologically, you're not the
[1:04:30] same
[1:04:31] person as you were when you started this
[1:04:33] conversation cuz cells have died and new
[1:04:35] ones have been born.
[1:04:38] That 14-year-old, with all due respect,
[1:04:40] he died, you know, 22 years ago.
[1:04:43] You're just holding on to the story as
[1:04:45] evidence to sustain your ego's identity.
[1:04:51] Yeah.
[1:04:53] It's got What What What does literally
[1:04:55] literally What does what you went
[1:04:56] through when you were 14 have to do with
[1:04:58] today?
[1:04:59] Nothing.
[1:05:01] Nothing. Now we can embrace the human
[1:05:03] part, which is it had everything to do
[1:05:05] with your identity until we just
[1:05:07] revealed it, which was it confirmed
[1:05:11] a story that you were bad, that you're
[1:05:13] dirty, there's something wrong with you.
[1:05:15] You know, we didn't go through all of
[1:05:16] them cuz they're bedfellows to me.
[1:05:19] But they're all sort of associated,
[1:05:21] they're relative, right? Yeah. Yeah.
[1:05:23] Being bad, dirty for what happened,
[1:05:26] there's something wrong with you. I
[1:05:27] would throw in you're not wanted, right,
[1:05:29] which is being sort of discarded from
[1:05:32] the church.
[1:05:34] So you can write all of these I mean
[1:05:35] this is recorded, you can watch it, but
[1:05:37] I I just want to share them with you so
[1:05:38] you can investigate the same process I
[1:05:40] took you through which is is it true
[1:05:42] that you're bad? No. Is it true that
[1:05:43] you're not wanted? No. Is it true that
[1:05:45] you're dirty? No. Do you see? Is it true
[1:05:47] there's something wrong with you? No,
[1:05:48] they're all lies.
[1:05:50] But they are all the fundamental
[1:05:52] addiction that was the precursor to the
[1:05:55] solutions you found to mitigate
[1:05:58] suffering. Wow, yes.
[1:06:01] And in the absence of those, my friend,
[1:06:03] if it's not true
[1:06:06] that you're not wanted, if it's not true
[1:06:09] that there's something wrong with you,
[1:06:10] if there's not true that you're bad, and
[1:06:13] if it's not true that you're dirty,
[1:06:14] they're all gone,
[1:06:16] you literally don't have those ways of
[1:06:19] relating to yourself.
[1:06:21] Who does Philip get to be?
[1:06:28] >> [laughter]
[1:06:28] >> I don't even know, man.
[1:06:31] It's so exciting.
[1:06:32] >> That's a very accurate answer. Yeah, you
[1:06:33] don't cuz I'm introducing you to a world
[1:06:35] with which you're not familiar. Welcome
[1:06:37] to 2.0 world, my friend.
[1:06:38] >> Yeah. Wow.
[1:06:41] Oh. Now I just want to write. I've been
[1:06:43] dealing with writer's block, but now I
[1:06:45] just Well, I'll tell you what right now,
[1:06:46] whatever it is that you do, and again,
[1:06:48] I'm not familiar with music, it just got
[1:06:50] exponentially more powerful. Oh,
[1:06:53] [ __ ] Can you feel that? Yeah.
[1:06:56] Yeah. And here's a really funny thing
[1:06:58] that I want you to understand and I
[1:06:59] can't categorically say is true. My
[1:07:02] guess is because when we shift our
[1:07:04] internal terrain, the way we view
[1:07:06] ourselves, and the fundamental
[1:07:09] way that we relate to who we are, like
[1:07:12] your energetic signature has shifted
[1:07:14] today. That informs your physiology.
[1:07:18] So, I've worked with people who may have
[1:07:20] been addicted to cigarettes for 40
[1:07:22] years. We had someone in my mastermind
[1:07:24] who smoked 120 cigarettes a day.
[1:07:27] After our conversation, that next week
[1:07:29] she had three, and the week after she
[1:07:30] hasn't touched a cigarette again.
[1:07:32] Wow.
[1:07:33] >> Because her physiology, the form that is
[1:07:36] informed by your view of yourself, now
[1:07:39] is going to have different
[1:07:42] proclivities, different tendencies,
[1:07:44] different uh preferences.
[1:07:47] So, I wouldn't be surprised, again, I
[1:07:49] don't know, it may not be instant, that
[1:07:51] your body no longer even wants
[1:07:53] marijuana, it doesn't like the taste of
[1:07:56] Dr. Pepper, and it certainly would never
[1:07:59] drive through a McDonald's drive
[1:08:02] drive-by.
[1:08:03] Yeah.
[1:08:05] Do you know
[1:08:05] >> Yeah. Do you Can you see that? Because
[1:08:07] Because your your your physical form as
[1:08:10] an extension of your energetic
[1:08:12] signature,
[1:08:13] it it doesn't align anymore. It's like
[1:08:15] it's physically impossible, not
[1:08:17] physically impossible, but for me to go
[1:08:19] into like a fast food place. Like it
[1:08:22] does it doesn't align with who I am in
[1:08:24] the way that I view myself, or the way
[1:08:26] that I revere the opportunity that is to
[1:08:29] be me as a human being.
[1:08:31] Right. It doesn't align anymore. Yeah.
[1:08:35] Do you see? Yeah.
[1:08:37] So, no longer those things no longer not
[1:08:39] bad, they never were, they were just the
[1:08:41] extension of the bad through which you
[1:08:43] viewed yourself.
[1:08:46] They They're just something that
[1:08:47] probably won't even resonate with the
[1:08:50] frequency, albeit only like 10, 20, 15
[1:08:53] minutes old, but as you continue to
[1:08:55] embody that,
[1:08:57] you won't be drawn to substances like
[1:08:59] that.
[1:09:01] Yeah.
[1:09:02] That makes sense.
[1:09:03] >> is that? Dude, that's awesome. That's
[1:09:04] what I wanted. Like I just want to drink
[1:09:06] water and eat produce and be healthy and
[1:09:09] feel good.
[1:09:11] Yeah. But I didn't want that before.
[1:09:12] Like I wanted it, but I didn't I I
[1:09:15] craved something different. And you're
[1:09:16] saying now with the new
[1:09:19] me, a new energy, a new frequency, that
[1:09:22] those things will just be not even
[1:09:23] relevant anymore because now I'm just a
[1:09:25] different person.
[1:09:27] >> You won't even attract them into your
[1:09:28] field because it's not who you be.
[1:09:32] It would.
[1:09:34] Yeah.
[1:09:34] >> And and again, just to make space for
[1:09:37] the phenomenal being you are, if
[1:09:39] occasionally there might be this like,
[1:09:41] "You know what? [ __ ] it. You're out with
[1:09:42] the family. I'm going to have a Dr.
[1:09:44] Pepper." And you haven't had one for a
[1:09:45] month or a few weeks. Like who cares? It
[1:09:47] doesn't have to know be bad. Do you know
[1:09:50] what I'm saying? Yeah, just is.
[1:09:52] It just is.
[1:09:56] Yes.
[1:09:58] I was going to say how do you feel, but
[1:09:59] I think it's pretty much Dude, you're
[1:10:02] the freaking man, bro. I love you so
[1:10:04] much, bro. Thank you.
[1:10:06] Thank you.
[1:10:08] You're a sweetheart. I I just feel so
[1:10:10] blessed to get to do what I get to do,
[1:10:12] especially with people like you who
[1:10:14] showed up, you know,
[1:10:15] borderline only an hour ago, who thought
[1:10:17] that there was something wrong with
[1:10:18] them, they were bad, they're broken,
[1:10:20] they have addictive problems, and had
[1:10:21] all sorts of shame and guilt to the
[1:10:24] absolute boundless joy that is now
[1:10:27] evident in every cell of your body. I
[1:10:28] mean, what a gift.
[1:10:31] Dude, yes. Oh.
[1:10:35] Yeah, you are a sweetheart, and the
[1:10:36] world just became a much brighter place
[1:10:39] because
[1:10:40] >> Oh. Philip didn't try and heal himself
[1:10:42] anymore. He held the part of him that
[1:10:44] got hurt once. Which everybody can
[1:10:46] relate to.
[1:10:48] And that's going to make you not only a
[1:10:49] better husband, a better father, a
[1:10:51] better friend, a better musician, and
[1:10:54] the people whose lives you've yet to
[1:10:56] touch, that don't even know you exist, I
[1:10:58] just want to acknowledge you for the
[1:10:59] difference you're going to make that you
[1:11:01] don't even know yet.
[1:11:03] Dude, thank you, Peter. Thank you.
[1:11:06] There's not one human being alive, you
[1:11:08] know, of the millions who will get to
[1:11:09] listen to this, who don't have their own
[1:11:11] form of addiction. It may not manifest
[1:11:13] in choosing substances as a solution to
[1:11:16] mitigate suffering, but it is
[1:11:18] nonetheless the addiction to thinking
[1:11:19] that they're not loved, that they're
[1:11:21] they're worthless, that they're not
[1:11:23] safe, that nobody loves them, that
[1:11:24] they're not going to be okay.
[1:11:27] And so, thank you for your courage and
[1:11:28] vulnerability, your absolute beauty of
[1:11:30] spirit that allowed you to share things
[1:11:33] that are going to touch the lives of
[1:11:34] millions of people in their own form of
[1:11:36] addiction that I hope after this
[1:11:37] conversation, they now get to transcend
[1:11:40] and see as a fundamental lie and that
[1:11:42] beneath that
[1:11:43] is the pure love,
[1:11:45] freedom, possibility of the essence of
[1:11:48] who we all are.
[1:11:50] >> [music]
[1:12:00] [music]